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I've been thinking about branching mAlt out a bit. I'm sorta tired of KZ and Gruul/Mag...tell me what you think!
Stick with what you're doing Aidin...you're crazy.
10%
Branch out to SSC/TK (these will NOT be Vail runs)
40%
Go for broke and branch out to SSC/TK AND MH
27%
Forget SSC/TK and go straight to MH!!
22%
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Submitted by XxFatesendxX on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 14:15./wave
"How many spelling mistakes
Submitted by pulga on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 16:00."How many spelling mistakes are in your app? :p (serious):
0"
"Would it be a problem if you had to wait 3 weeks or 3 months to get into raid?:
Nope. The early the better, but I will raid when I am needed."
Might not have been a spelling error, but definitely a grammar error.
Onto the important things in no particular order:
In that part with the grammar error, you say you want to raid. We're pretty tight on rogue slots. Hamfist has Saedo, Shinzwei, and Ewiges. Lf1M has Roguered and me. Ruesch has been filling in for a dps warrior for a bit, and helps out both raids when needed. So, you'll probably be waiting quite some time to get in to raid. Maybe a fill-in night, but that's about it.
Another thing is your boots enchant. Why put 12 stamina on them? Your only function for raiding is for dps, so that extra stamina isn't what's needed. Throw 12 agility on there. It's not too expensive, and is much better itemization for rogues.
Was the 26 AP to your gloves just a temporary enchant due to high prices? Fix that and get a 15 agility enchant.
Get the nethercobra enchant on your legs. It's about 2 hours of farming, or a few hundred gold which you could easily make in a day, so get to it.
You are using a couple of AP gems. Why? The gear on your armory looks the same as the gear in the screen shot, less the heartless. If that's correct, you're way shy of the hit cap to be gemming AP gems. Put either agi/hit or straight up hit. You'll miss less which means you'll do more damage.
Go get some badges. There's a necklace, boots, and legs that can be bought with badges. The legs are nearly irreplaceable for rogues, the neck will hold you over for some time, and the boots aren't replaced for a while either.
Also, I recommend getting a bar mod. I use bartender, and it makes my UI so much clearer. Clearer UI means it's easier to see what's going on around you. And as for rogue-specific mods, I recommend slice watcher. It puts a bar, that you can make as transparent as you want, which shows how much time left on your slice and dice.
I know this may be a lot of information to take in, but like I said, there are a bunch of raiding rogues already, and if you want a shot, you got to step it up.
Guess I'll try to point out
Submitted by saedo on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 16:40.Guess I'll try to point out some things.
Get a helm with a meta gem slot. [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond] far out weighs any other possible helm.
Your AP gems are fine, well the 20 AP ones. I'm going to assume 1 is from the Magister's Terrace and 1 is from PvP. Those are fine epic gems if you're not ready to blow badges on epic gems yet. The 16 AP one could use a change, but I wouldn't bother unless you are in 25 mans and consistently have access to kings.
Hit is good. There is no magic number. It is a dps stat. Like all other dps stats, AP, crit, agi, armor pen, haste, they give dps. Don't really pay attention to anyone saying your hit is too low. You want good stats. Not a singular obsessive focus on hit rating.
But yea, get agil to gloves, but again probably not a huge deal without Kings around.
[Darkmoon Card: Wrath] though, sucks. Big time. Sorry you wasted whatever gold you spent on that. [Darkmoon Card: Crusade] would be a better investment. But anyways, replace that with one of the level 70 blue trinkets, or even one of the green/blue quest ones you get in Outland.
Edit: Addtional notes.
Your neck is fine. You seem to be exalted Aldor and that's a win for you. Best neck til BT.
Also if you do replace your pants with the badge ones (best til Sunwell), you might as well work on replacing the gloves as well with badge ones. It's not as good as T5 but certainly better than T4. But I'd focus on pants first, then boots, then gloves if you haven't upgraded by now. Maybe Crossbow too, that's 3rd best ranged slot, but it's expensive and not too huge.
Also run speed (Cat's Swiftness) is a good enchant for the boots. Not a straight dps boost, but good utility for increased dps times and survivability when you need it. Only really at a cost of 6 agility. But of course it's an expensive enchant.
First off, sorry about the
Submitted by XxFatesendxX on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 17:37.First off, sorry about the grammatical error. I can go back in and slot in "at least 1" if need be.
Next I would understand that it might be a while before I would get a shot at any "big time" raiding seeing that rogues aren't exactly uncommon.
As for my boots, I have been on the edge of replacing them for a little while now and kept going with replacing another piece of gear with badges instead of them, so I had been putting off putting agility on them. Will get that changed right away. And as for my legs they are next on my list to replace with badges and I have nethercobra leg armor waiting in my bank for them. Ok on to gloves: agility is asked for, agility will be put on. I am always open for suggestions/tips so thank you both.
Pulga I will look into both bartender and slice watcher. I don't really have a problem when seeing when slice and dice is up, but hey anything that makes things easier sounds like a safe bet. Thanks for the input Pulga
Ok and Saedo, I used to just pvp with my rogue and have just started getting seriously into pve in last 5 months or so. I was a little "AP crazy" and only stacked AP which has lead to the slow progression of my hit. Right now I am sporting about 210 (rough estimate). Would you recommend going for straight Hit Rating gems, or Agil/Hit in the yellow sockets?
OK as far as my trinkets, well it saddens me to hear that my expensive trinket has been reduced to "sucks," but hey, the truth hurts. I will replace ASAP.
I saw I missed your comment about my helm... I have t4 sitting in my bank, do you recommend using that over the netherspite one because of the meta slot option, because the rest of the stats on it seemed less superior...
And lastly like I mentioned to Pulga's comment on my boots I was planning on waiting until I got the new Boots to put Cat's Swiftness on them. Would you recommend replacing my Legs (knowing I have cobrascale armor in my bank) before my wrong gemmed wrong enchanted utterly inefficient boots?
Thanks again for input
-Fate
Yeah, go with the t4. I
Submitted by pulga on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 18:06.Yeah, go with the t4. I used that thing until i got a s3 helm. And regem to get the meta socket to work if it's not already. 12agi/3%inc crit is the most important gem for a rogue.
Yea it does seem you got the
Submitted by saedo on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 18:09.Yea it does seem you got the AP for pvp. But like I said, for the epic gems, they aren't bad. I wouldn't be replacing blue quality gems for em. You only have 1 16 AP gem which can be switched for another blue quality gem. So not a huge deal either. The difference between the straight up AP vs and equal quality gem of hit/agi is only 3-5 dps.
If you really wanna squeeze that out if you can afford it... Um, i personally prefer agi/hit. That's just my preference though. You're not really wrong if you go all hit. Just know it only really affects white damage and procs.
And yes that trinket sucks. I think with average crit rates it works out only to be like a 2.5-3% crit. I forget. There are far better ones with procs or "on use" abilities that would make them surpass yours.
And yea, wear the T4. The [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond] is amazing. And it scales really well with gear. This single handedly makes pretty much all meta gem helms superior to those without.
If you got badges for the pants, they'd be a bigger upgrade for you. But if you can't wait or something... The boots are good too, can't replace that til Sunwell either.
Alright Pulga I downloaded
Submitted by XxFatesendxX on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 06:08.Alright Pulga I downloaded Bartender 3 Along with Slicer and I am loving them both, I also went along and Downloaded X-perl to help help clear up some UI Space, and really to just make things a bit more clear. Thank you for the tips.
Also I went ahead and gemmed my t4 with the meta, and as soon as I get my legs I will put that cobrascale in them. I also went ahead and followed your guy's suggestions and put agility on the gloves and boots (once I get Bade vendor boots I will put Cat's Swiftness on them).
Alright, so I am cruious as to what the next step is, if it is to talk to someone in game or keep going on the app process here.
Last thing, I would be more than willing to link my Updated UI to see if there is anything else I am missing.
Thanks for the time,
-Fate
Next step is to be active on
Submitted by Aidin on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 07:00.Next step is to be active on the site, let people get to know you. Run some 5 mans with us, sign up for raids that you can make, and that you're gear has you ready for. (Kara, ZA, Gruul, Mag, or even SSC/TK if you are prepared and know the fights)
Our 25 man MH/BT/SWP raids are set with their rogues, so a main raid spot is not likely. All raids SSC/TK and below are run for fun, and for those guild mates not in MH/BT/SWP.
Are you aiming to be part of a MH/BT/SWP raid?
Fun Times in IRC:
[15:27] Dragonfork: aidin hates me this I know, for my repair
bills tell me so. many times my health is low, aidin laughs when i
explode. yes aidin kills me, yes aidin kills me.
The app process here at
Submitted by Grasen on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 09:06.The app process here at Downfall can be rather lenghty. it usualy spans anywhere from 3 weeks to 2 mo. Learn the site and utilize it.
Thanks for quick response
Submitted by XxFatesendxX on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 14:05.Thanks for quick response Aidin.
Well I have to have a goal to raid seriously, so yes I am aiming to be apart of MH/BT/SWP, but I also realize that those spots are already filled and my gear is not exactly up to standards of BT and SWP. I would say it is at the "starting phases of MH" but either way, I understand those spots are full, and have no problem with running SSC and TK to get experience of not only the fights but also the "Downfall Experience." Basically see how you guys run things. I realize this is a process and I am not looking for instant gratification on gear or instant spot into anything really serious raiding wise. I have no problem with baby steps. That being said, I see the calendar at the top... Who would I go about contacting in game to get into some heroics and/or raids with the Downfall crew?
So I see your also in
Submitted by Roguered on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 14:43.So I see your also in kansas? Where you going to school? Please tell me its not that terrible lawrence college. j/k XD
Sign up for any of the 5 man
Submitted by garreth on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 14:47.Sign up for any of the 5 man events to let us know that you'll be available for that run. Sign up for any of the weekend runs.
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Just sign up for what you
Submitted by Aidin on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 14:49.Just sign up for what you can make. The person co-ordinating the event will be the person you should contact. Finndo is the champion of the 5 mans, Aidinselene/Friks does a Kara/ZA and a Gruul/Magtheridon, Grasen does our SSC/TK runs. (there are others as well)
Anything below Mag, we're not huge sticklers for strats..but be sure to know you're strats and have the gear to support sufficient DPS if you have hopes of seeing SSC/TK bosses.
Fun Times in IRC:
[15:27] Dragonfork: aidin hates me this I know, for my repair
bills tell me so. many times my health is low, aidin laughs when i
explode. yes aidin kills me, yes aidin kills me.
Correction!!! I am the
Submitted by Finndo on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 16:02.Correction!!! I am the shepherd of the 5-mans, not the champion :). It is my goal to herd those folks that want to get into 5-mans into the 5-mans they want into. so there!
Terrible Lawrence college :O
Submitted by XxFatesendxX on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 21:16.Terrible Lawrence college :O <--- (Shock) lol, but yes I am a Kansas man and KU (not terrible, haha) is where I will be spending my remaining school years. Roguered judging by the comment, I take it you are or once was a Purple Kitty a.k.a. Wildcat :)
On a more serious note lol, I will sign up for some upcoming 5 mans/raids and hopefully see ya'll soon.
Yeah, I do go to KSU. I've
Submitted by Roguered on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 21:43.Yeah, I do go to KSU. I've got a number of friends there. I actually live in Olathe during the summer. Maybe we could meet up sometime.
Since I got to run a ZA with
Submitted by saedo on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 17:31.Since I got to run a ZA with you today, got the opportunity to do some hands on analysis of how you do.
Refer to for details: http://www.downfallguild.org/node/3420#comment-14854
You still alive fate?
Submitted by chrislow on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 10:17.You still alive fate?
No interaction on this
Submitted by Aidin on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 11:38.No interaction on this thread since 7/1. No interaction with mAlt and Smash and Grab raid leaders. Will close in 1 week if no action is made.
Fun Times in IRC:
[15:27] Dragonfork: aidin hates me this I know, for my repair
bills tell me so. many times my health is low, aidin laughs when i
explode. yes aidin kills me, yes aidin kills me.
Closing for lack of effort
Submitted by Aidin on Fri, 08/08/2008 - 09:09.Closing for lack of effort during the application process.