I realize getting hit is random and that getting hit doesn't mean you're not going to get hit again.  I'm just saying that in a one minute period you're less likely to get hit than in a two minute period simply because he's going to do fewer Burns in that period.  This assumes that he's doing Burns on a predicatable timer which I believe he is. 

So it comes down to gambling.  Do you think you'll get > 1 burn in a fight or not?  It's only happened to me once.  That may be a fluke.  If you only get burn one time, it would be stupid to not use iceblock to reduce casting downtime.   If you get > 1 burn, that's when things get interesting and you can play games on when is best. 

Some quick back of the napkin calculation shows that I'd lose about 146 DPS by running over to get healed vs using iceblock (assuming 30 secs movement time and 1750 DPS).  In all but one pull, to date, I would have been stupid to not ice block. 

If we decide that having mages save their iceblocks for the last minute is the way to go, that's fine but we need to make that call knowing the DPS implications.

I think that over time we'll gear out more and will be much more able to aborb the cost of not using iceblock.  For now, though, we're pushing the limits and I think we need to maximize our DPS as much as possible.   Personally, for the time being, I'd rather gamble that we're not going to get Burned > 1 time instead of taking a guaranteed 146 DPS loss.

To date, I've only been hit with burn twice in a fight one time.  While it's an option to only pop iceblock in the 1st minute or so, I don't think it's worth it - from a DPS perspective anyway.  The time that I did get burned twice, I spent quite a bit of time running over to the heal spot (and back - since I didn't die :)).  Most of that time is spent with near 0 dps since I need to be stationary to cast.  If I lose 20-30 secs for movement, that will lower my overall dps quite a bit.  Especially considering that if I use iceblock, I only actually have about 1GCD worth of downtime.

To make the call here, I think we'd need to figure out some odds.  Effectively, what are the odds that in any one minute timeframe will someone get hit with Burn?  I never took statistics so this could be wildly off, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :)

Let's say it's 5% (total guess).  That means that at the start of the fight, you'd have a ~30% chance of getting Burn sometime in the fight.  If you make it through the 4th minute of the fight, you'd still have a 10% chance of getting Burned before enrage.

Now, if I get Burned 2 mins from enrage, I actually have a pretty small chance of getting hit again in that last minute.  So it seems to make more sense for me to iceblock and get that guaranteed 30 secs of DPS vs not blocking for the 5% chance that I might need it later...

Hmm - What your last comment says to me is that the potential advantage comes in the form of time savings, not so much mana savings. There is extra cast time at the start that can be used to heal burns without issue; however as the fight progresses, cast time becomes more precious as there is more healing that needs to be done. Thus by using the slack time at the beginning and saving invulnerability cd's, you are able to free up more healer cast time at a point in the fight where it's more scarce. That does make some sense.

Also keep in mind that in a 6 minute fight, some such cd's may be usable twice in the fight, but only if they're popped very early. Tough call.

before the first burn the burn healer are ussualy on the tanks the tanks dont need much if any help early so the burn healers are either healing just because or able to sit and regen when they are already nearly full

i full recognize this as a double edged sword but one that we could work to our best advantage

hence the last paragraph in my previous post

Said this multiple times, the BF vs Fury thing is a matter of displaced DPS, Blood frenzy gives all melee a buff where fury keeps most of the DPS for himself.

Dual wield Fury will hit a LOT harder in execute range as you hit with 2 weapons instead of 1 slower one(I believe it's usually advised to execute spam with 2 1h's, assuming it's comparable lvl weapons)

Fury is also(in my experience) a LOT easier to deal with, spam shit as it comes off CD's(there's actually a general rotation that becomes automatic) I know Ky's build makes him stare at his swing timer/Slammer for when to do what)

if he's willing to try it have him go fury for a night & compare numbers(preferably with a GOOD sub 10% attempt or two in to see execute range dps)

Can Ky post here with what weapons he dual wields as fury?

[item]Cataclysm's Edge[/item] is what he uses for a 2H

Well I told him last night that the Blood Frenzy he brings is about 400 raid dps.    So to go fury, he'd have to exceed that number personally to not lose the raid dps.

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good to be on top Ehh G? 

And, if we could grab 3rd resto shaman for this, benefits would be huge.

Shit, I didn't realize Dark Runes were that helpful to healers.  I just dug a bunch of them out of my bank and put them on the AH before I left for work this morning.  If they are still there when I get home I'll cancel my auctions and put them in the guild bank.

Who wants to help me farm these guys: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=8717

for demonic runes. Huge drop rate!

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Sorreah, that post was WIN.  And, I miss Caliroll .

At the moment, 8 is cutting it pretty close Karli.  If we had Caliroll we could probably trim down to 7 as we'd have 4-5 AoE healers to keep a lot of people up.