Incinerate VS Shadowbolt
Felsteel — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 10:14
Need some opinons/feed back! I would like to try this in my raid to see how this works if the lock and mage are willing! would it or would it not be better for a lock to use Incinerate over shadowbolt in combination with a firemage?
Yes/No
Why/Why not
Info and feed back pls.
oh i see now ok.
Felsteel — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 21:05oh i see now ok.
Yea so don't expect the 3
saedo — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 17:07Yea so don't expect the 3 locks and shadow priests in em right? lol
Well the thing is that conflag eats up the immolate dot. You're better off refreshing immolate so it never falls off then to do conflag, which causes GCD, then you'd have to do a immolate cast. That's 3.5 sec worth of downtime in the dot that could've been let ticking and had another incinerate cast on it.
And this be under 0 latency and perfect reaction times. More than 3.5 sec otherwise.
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yes it is! and what i was
Felsteel — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 16:39yes it is! and what i was looking at was the faster cast time of incin, the Dot of immo, both increased by the Fmage wich is going to scorch anyways, and confalg will hit harder than incini, so i dont see the gcd affecting it unless im not understanding how that works lol.
Isn't this info supposed to
saedo — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 15:22Isn't this info supposed to be for Felsteel's 10 mans?
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Assuming 3 Warlocks nuking
Agoney — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 15:12Assuming 3 Warlocks nuking the same target, imp shadowbolt will be up 95% of the time. If anyone wants to argue this, feel free to re-watch my brut kill. Count the lapses its down for.
Shadowbolt scales better. Your talking about a 2.5s cast vs a 3.0s. Really, the only time Fire will out DPS/better for raid is when there are ZERO shadow priests in raid (assuming there is a fire mage). Fire is better for KZ raids, not for high level.
Heres warlocks opinion if you dont trust me :P
Fire vs Shadow agony
Shadow is superior to fire in every way imaginable,
unless your idea of PvE raiding is killing mobs in Terokkar or you
don't have shards to sacrifice succi with in actual raid. So if you
didn't get my point here it goes again: SHADOW IS BETTER SHADOW IS
BETTER SHADOW IS BETTER SHADOW IS BETTER SHADOW IS BETTER SHADOW IS
BETTER! So please, let's not discuss it anymore, I don't care if
you think incinerate is gods gift because of its cast time, or scorch
debuff, we went through this millions of times before, SB leads to
improved SB which leads to more damage for you, your warlocks and your
shadowpriests, which in return give more mana back to you, your fellow
locks, your mages and maybe even your healers AND it has no immolate
dependancy. On the other hand you get to cast incinerate faster,
weeeeeeeeee.
It does. But the conflag
saedo — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 14:20It does. But the conflag GCD means less incinerates.
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doesnt incin trig the GCD
Felsteel — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 14:09doesnt incin trig the GCD also?
From a 25 man PoV and from
Desteran — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 13:21From a 25 man PoV and from my understanding Shadowbolt = raid dps, fire = personal dps.
Generally though if you have 3+ locks it is okay for one of them to go fire if a fire mage is present so basically the raid comp has to be right in order to justify a fire lock.
But destro fire does look like alot of fun!
conflag triggers the GCD
Dikymo — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 13:20conflag triggers the GCD means more time between incinerates which is where the real damage will come from. go to elitistjerks.com and read their DPS thread. it covers everything you are looking to find out.
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yes im assuming immolate is
Felsteel — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 13:01yes im assuming immolate is being kept up and conflaged at the last 1-2 seconds.
You are also assuming that
Dikymo — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 12:50You are also assuming that immolate is being kept up at all times. shadowbolt > immolate. But if you have a group geared with fire mages its a matter of preference.
I know pat has been messing with it. Ill do some too. damn now I need another weapon.. . WTB ZA RUN PST
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ok ill see if i can add up
Felsteel — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 12:14ok ill see if i can add up all the bonus dmg lol.
Shadow bolt w/Spriest
Demonic Sac=15% dmg
Imp Shadowbolt=20% on crit strike
Shadow-weaveing=10%dmg
Shadow and Flames=20% of bonus spell dmg
Ruin=100% per crit
Curse of elements=10%dmg
so for shadow dmg if im doing it right thats 185% bonus dmg(assuming it crits) for the lock with shadow bolt unless im mising somthing
Fire lock w/Fmage
Demon Sac=15%dmg
Imp Immolate=+25% base immolate dmg
Emberburn=10%dmg Fire spells and 10% reduced cast time on incinerate
Shadow and Flames=20%
Scorch=15%dmg
Ruin=100% on crit
Curse of Elements=10%
so for Incinerate alone thats a total(with crit) of 170% dmg now note Fire locks also gain +100%(200% if crits) dmg on Immolate initial dmg, a +70%(170% when crits) on conflag, and +70% on ticks for the lock
This is NOT including the dmg of the Spriest for the Fmag
this is what i come to, not sure on actual numbers as its not a strong point as of now, if im missing something or wrong about something let me know!
Depends on your raid comp.
Dufe — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 10:42Depends on your raid comp. If you have an spriest, they gain a fair amount from having the warlock be of the shadowbolt variety. Plus the shadow-weaving boost back to the lock.
Yes. Fire burns. Synergy
saedo — Tue, 09/09/2008 - 10:32Yes. Fire burns. Synergy with the Imp Scorch. Et Cetera Et Cetera.
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