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Noctis Umbra — Sun, 04/26/2009 - 23:08

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I apologize

Noctis Umbra — Thu, 08/06/2009 - 14:46

I apologize for not being active recently. I just needed a long break from the game. I have actually begun working on my professions for real this time. I am halting my progress at the time being while I work on getting my engineering flyer made.

Once my professions are max, I will begin addressing the flaws and "cheapness" with my gear. I appreciate all the help I have gotten from you guys especially the EP1! group, Rayne, and Ryu) a couple months ago and hope I can work my way up to expectations.

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Further apologise

Noctis Umbra — Thu, 08/06/2009 - 22:01

A friend of 10 years wished for me to transfer to his server and therefore my rogue is no longer a an applicant. I apologize for the time and effort you guys spent on my critique. Saedo, especially you. I really appreciate the time spent on feedback and answering my questions to make me a better player.

Torvo thanks for allowing me to experience quality raiding with EP1! and having me along for those Naxx 25s and the one Ulduar 25.

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Application closed then.

Shihli — Thu, 08/06/2009 - 22:55

Application closed then.

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So going on that mALT/Pug KT

saedo — Mon, 06/29/2009 - 01:58

So going on that mALT/Pug KT was the first time we've ever been in the same raid together, it was short but...

1.  Damn, you kept dying in P1 of all places.   That can only be pulling aggro off Aboms.   Install Omen.  Watch Omen.   Also, use Tricks of the Trade, try to get mages, I mean tanks killed with them.   It's what it's for, survive.

2.  On the kill finally, DPS seems way low.

  • HfB was refreshed 9 times, in a 6 min fight.   It has a 60 second duration.   So that's 2-3 too much spamming.
  • Rupture can probably be used more.   I managed 140 ticks, vs your 98.   Your spec is actually more easier to keep higher uptime than me.

3.  http://www.armory-light.com/us/Gorgonnash/Stabwitbeard/

  • Eng, still not 400
  • Helm, not enchanted and cheap gem
  • Shoulders, need enchant, and a frikkin red slot that could've givin you a good socket bonus is crammed with a yellow gem
  • Chest, no enchant, cheap gem
  • Belt, cheap gem
  • Legs, no enchant, cheap gem, and no point in putting a yellow (orange) color gem unless you're going for socket bonus
  • Boots, no enchant
  • Bracers, no enchant
  • Gloves, shit enchant, go with Crusher
  • Ring, cheap gem
  • Cloak, no enchant
  • Daggers, um, cheap enchant, but I guess it's the same old crap.  

 

So is this what happens when people stop checking your armory?    Busy for 2 weeks with friends isn't an excuse (even then it was 3 weeks ago for that post), unless you wanna say you got all that new gear in 1 day.    What you should be doing is enchanting and gemming (good gems) the day of getting items, next day at the latest.   To have 8+ items like that is just lazy.

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Well...

Noctis Umbra — Wed, 07/01/2009 - 19:20

To tell you the truth, I was sorely disappointed with myself on the Sapph and KT fights. I did pretty well for the first 4 wings and I am not sure what happened myself to be honest.  As far as my gear goes, well you are correct part of it may be laziness. I shoulda had some of that done way before now.  

The day after that post my internet went down for 3 days and then I went out of town for 2 weeks. This past week and a half I have only really been on for 2 days. One was doing arena with friends and the other was the mALT run. The rest of my time was spent hanging oout with friends in real life.

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Not laziness

Noctis Umbra — Fri, 06/05/2009 - 10:10

Hey guys, 

I want to apologize for my apparent slacking on getting my rogue fully up to par with gems , enchants and professions. I have been quite busy with friends the past couple weeks. I will also be going out of town for two weeks this coming Tuesday.

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I must say you are

Kerilyn — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 16:55

I must say you are doingbetter, even with us throwing you into new unfamiliar content. But, i have one criticism. The people you surround yourself with have an effect on how others see you. And your guild members that we brought in were not making a good one on you in the eyes of some of the higher ups. I know we were desperate for dps but i think it's safe to say they won't be seeing an invite again.

So that being said, you need to keep striving to do your best to show that you are above and beyond the likes of Jonimus and Cenaface by kicking ass in ulduar.

I know those two a fair amount and i can bet that they don't really give two shits about getting to down yogg saron or Vezax, as long as I've known them they've never cared about nothing as far as raiding.

So, with that said, i pat you on the back for making the effort to get this far, commend you on your success and encourage you to  keep at it!!!!

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Nice running with you again yesterday

Torvo — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 09:52

(Ulduar25!!1 Parses)

Looking at your numbers across the fights, you were pretty consistent while you were up, but you seemed to turn it up an extra notch against Deconstructor... Especially on try 1 and try 2 when you led the DPS charts. What were you doing differently on those fights that your output took such a huge leap?

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The XT parse is very weird.  

saedo — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 10:18

The XT parse is very weird.   How many real tries did it take?   Really, 4?   Cause I would've guess it thought it reset combat after each heart phase for some reason and it's all more like 1-2 tries.    Like 1-4 is the kill, or maybe 2-4 is the kill.

Cause the diff is Heart.   Whoever hits the heart will double their dps.

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Yeah

Torvo — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 13:34

It was 2 shots. I think 2-4 is the kill... Just curious as to what he did that moved him from ~6-8 on the chart to #1 during those fights. I would expect the other dps to go up as well, giving everyone the double dmg and maintaining roughly the same ranking in the charts.

Best utilization of CDs to optimize dmg on heart maybe?

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LIke I said, Heart.   Look

saedo — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 16:59

LIke I said, Heart.   Look carefully again.   Even if these aren't perfectly split parses for the real kill, you can really tell:

 

Try 1:  120 hits on the Heart:  http://wowwebstats.com/kspjp2r4foq51?s=413900-446713&a=xf13000823104ba74...

Try 2: No Heart, looks to be only XT being dps'd:  http://wowwebstats.com/kspjp2r4foq51?s=448386-470472&a=xf15000820d04ba73...

Try 3:  7 hits on the Heart, looks like he died during Heart Phase if it's that pathetically low:  http://wowwebstats.com/kspjp2r4foq51?s=475846-510676&a=xf1300082310533e2...

Kill:  No hits on the heart:  http://wowwebstats.com/kspjp2r4foq51?a=xf1300082310533e2&s=516326-532284...

 

So, Try 1, go full heart damage like everyone else, #1.   Try 2, no heart existed, but full damage on XT himself, #1 again.    Try 3, partial damage on Heart, everyone else passed him.    Kill, he didn't exist, already dead.

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Well

Noctis Umbra — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 16:44

Overall, I was just getting a feel for Ulduar in general as it was my first run. I am not the fastest at picking up what I need to avoid but repetition is key. There will be less deaths and greater performance as the fights become more familiar to me. I appreciate the time you all spent on commenting on the parses. I wll continue to improve every week.

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Death due to be Searing

saedo — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 17:06

Death due to be Searing Light.   

One part, you hit people 48 times, 3K a tick for a grand total of 141K damage..   

One part, you should've been healed too to survive it.   Though I suppose if you didn't cause massive amounts of raid damage in those moments, heals might have been better directed towards you, I can't be sure.

Here' s a tip, Cloak of Shadows.   Learn it, use it.  Takes these debuffs out of the equation.  If all else fails.  Run faster.

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you know..

Kerilyn — Wed, 05/13/2009 - 01:38

now that my lock is in northrend i can easily get mats for flasks and pots. so if you need any hit me up. pots and flasks are glorious things in raiding!

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No offense, but I did

pulga — Sun, 05/10/2009 - 23:27

No offense, but I did outdamage you for the night, and I was tanking for a bunch of the fights.  Gotta kick it up another notch.

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Hmmm

Noctis Umbra — Mon, 05/11/2009 - 12:33

Hmm which fights? I was dead for Loatheb, Heigan and KT. Gothik not quite sure what  I was doing there. I think I did better then last week overall though.I was also recovering from getting a little too drunk Friday night.

However, i am  going over paresss again to see which fights and remember what mistakes I made. I am pretty aware of mistakes as I make them. Not all but some. as logn as i can manage to improve every weekend I am happy. ^_^

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I like your attitude

Torvo — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 14:30

Just look for ways to get better every week. Being dead is not an excuse for lower damage... You're putting out 0 damage during the time you spend on the floor. Not all deaths are your fault, but work on your survivability. Keep healthstones and pots on your hotbar (or bind them to a key). I notice you didn't pop a single one of either during the full raid.

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No excuse

Noctis Umbra — Wed, 05/13/2009 - 01:33

Well being dead should not be at all. I know all my deaths were my fault. I reacted too slow to aggro from Loatheb. I reacted too slow KT's void zones, and to be honest I blow at the dance. 

I try to remain aware of mistakes I make. Like realizing when I drop something something like HFB or SnD and what may be the cause of it i.e., missing Envenom or avoiding a boss attack. I can say that since this application I have been putting forth an effort to become a better rogue. ^_^

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Feedback

Noctis Umbra — Sat, 05/09/2009 - 21:00

Here are the parses that Torvo posted for today's Naxx 25. http://wowwebstats.com/6pfjovisqhss1 I would really appreciate some feedback. 

i took a couple nights off this past weekand did some heroics to practice my spec more. This coming week, I plan on maxxing out my professions before next Saturdays raid. Also I am gonna try to get mongoose on my daggers for the time being.

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I see nothing wrong with

saedo — Mon, 05/11/2009 - 01:43

I see nothing wrong with Patchwerk himself.   Looks like you got the whole rotation refreshing buffs up thing going on now.

Overall for the night, it just seems dps time is lower.    At least for trash you appear to be trying to Fan of Knives, though not so much for others.    I suppose it is a weakness of the spec.   You prob don't have quite the gear to push it the timers to the limts yet that allows for a bit more aoe opportunity.

But a reiteration.   If you can afford to (timers all well and good), 3 or more mobs, Fan of Knives.

So get those profs levelled.   Get whatever stat upgrades you can get.  

Ok, looking at your armory right now...

  • [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond].   Get that, nothing else.
  • Enchant your gear.  All of it.   Belt buckle too.  
  • NO MORE FUCKING CHEAP GEMS.   That was excusable with blue gear, but you're in epics now.
  • Ok, your weapons may be crap and you can't afford Berserking yet.    Mongoose is the 2nd best choice, try for that.

Fix all this first before you dump gold into professions.    This will give FAR FAR FAR MORE stats.   Which in turn, means dps!

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Short and sweet

Torvo — Sun, 05/10/2009 - 23:23

Here's the most important thing I saw out of you this week: http://wowwebstats.com/6pfjovisqhss1?m&s=888590-930797

It's your performance on Thaddius (the second try, the one where we downed him). That fat asshole is:

  • One of the harder fights in the raid for execution
  • The biggest thorn in our side every week
  • Deserving of a severe ass kicking

You put up the 4th highest damage on him over the course of the fight. That tells me:

  • When others were dropping off due to poor execution, you stepped it up a notch
  • When the raid most needed your A Game, you delivered

Not sure if it was just wanting to redeem yourself after you messed up charges on the first shot, but I was really - REALLY pleased to see the results out of you on the second one.

Keep up the good work. I want to see more of this (and less of the crossing charges goofs) in the coming weeks, and I have a good feeling about your ability to deliver.

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Amazingly that was right

bluetouguyss — Mon, 05/11/2009 - 17:54

Amazingly that was right after I told him his dps was terribad for the gear he was sporting.  He has been getting a lot of nice gear in the 3 or 4 weeks he has been raiding with us and to have people like healanoid cracking the top 10 in his secondary spec and him not is weak!   Right after that he made a really good dps showing and made sure to tell him so.  

Work on your AOE for the trash and get those numbers up.  There is no reason that you and biana shouldnt be neck and neck and in the top 5 of overall damage.  Gear is def not the issue now.

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Surprised

Noctis Umbra — Thu, 05/14/2009 - 14:38

Yeah, when i was going over the parses I noticed that HfB and SnD I managaed to keep up 100% for Thaddius. After seeing that, I was shocked that I did not have 100% on any other boss. It was strange really. Thank you all for the feedback and I shall continue to become better every weekend.

Btw, I should be getting my mining engineering up to 300 tonight and then it should become easier. (280% speed for mining will do wonders.) Also I have mongoose on my main hand as of last night. ^_^

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Here are the parses for the 5-2 Naxx25!!1

Torvo — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 16:57

http://wowwebstats.com/b5mcomr3owyig

Rogue experts, please weigh in :)

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Looking at Patchwerk...  

saedo — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 17:23

Looking at Patchwerk...   Terrible.

Well I suppose part of it chalk it up to inexperience in playing Mutilate.

  1. HfB fell off, well only about 2 sec.   But it's your #1 priority to never let fall off.
  2. SnD fell off, intervals of 6 sec, 7 sec, and 22 sec.   This truly is bad, it should be almost trivial to keep up SnD with Envenom.   And penalties for Mutilate rogues to let it fall off is far far greater than any other spec.   If you have to skip rupture, or even use 1 point Envenoms you do that.    HfB and SnD should never fall off in the perfect tank and spank fight of Patchwerk.
  3. Lack of CDs, I don't see Cold Blood being used.  I know I said it sucked as a CD, it's the only one you got, that and the Vanish->Overkill thingy.   They're not much but it's something.

 

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alrighty

Noctis Umbra — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 21:04

Alrighty i will keep these things in mind. i have been Mutilate for like 5 days so I still got a bit of work to do on getting everything down. However, not sure if it's bad luck or an overall expertise issue (had 9 expertise during this fight) but envenom was missed (dodged according to recount) like 26% of the time which does affect the SnD uptime. I am thinking that if this problem reoccurs I will manually reactivate SnD at 3s to ensure it is up 100%. HFB i will renew at 5 seconds or less. I was pretty well aware of alot of the mistakes i made during the run. I'll use cb near the beginning of the fight and again middle to end of a fight. Vanish, I'll probably do something similar to maximize its use. Thank you for the feedback.

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cold blood

Jimi — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 23:22

I use to be Mute spec b4 I changed to combat. It is a fun and challenging build. HfB should always replenish SnD. At least I never had a problem with it. And my hit rating isn't maxxed.  Macro your Cold blood to your Mutilate.

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HfB doesn't do that, CttC

saedo — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 23:34

HfB doesn't do that, CttC does (Envenom).

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HfB doesn't do that, CttC

Jimi — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 12:09

HfB doesn't do that, CttC does (Envenom).

Sorry my mistake.

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Transformation GO!!!!

Noctis Umbra — Thu, 04/30/2009 - 01:43

This is the spec I am now using. ^_^

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0ef0exoVboIuVo0xV0hZxb:TfIVmc

I also plan on actively raising those sorry profession levels soon.

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