Raid: Drake Hunter
Now that the Salmon run is over (we've all swam upstream, blown our collective loads, and now lay, nearly dead, flopping around on the shore) I'd like to spend some time working on old achievements that I didn't have the opportunity to knock out early in the expansion when I wasn't really raiding. I'm guessing there's others who might be interested in this.
This will be a one-night-a-week run. I'd like to start by scheduling it on a Thursday (most raider availability due to KB's raid schedule).
This raid will have a relatively short overall duration. I mainly want to knock out some old achievements, Glory of the Raider, the Undying, Ulduar Drakes, etc. Once we're done doing those (so everyone who has what they need has what they need, we'll be done).
This raid is for players who will not need gear from Ulduar, Naxx, or ToC. Bring your ICC/RS geared toon. Alts are fine, but scrub alts won't be invited back. I'm not looking to carry people to achievements...I'm not your fucking sherpa.
As I mentioned in another comment, I brought up a somewhat confusing issue (it seems) in suggesting some minor modifications to Man Hug's raid itinerary. I'd like to make a space where that discussion can continue.
As I note elsewhere, there are valid opinions on different sides of the issue.
I suggested the following:
"After this week, my vote would be that (provided we get at least a 10/12 clear) we begin moving to 2 week ToT clears. So on week one we take a reset and clear "farm" bosses as quickly as possible. After that, we would have time to (most likely) kill a boss or two and then have some really solid time on Lei Shen.
I think Lei Shen will take a while to master, but I think a raid can get demoralized if you head in to wiping on the same boss for weeks on end. Lei Shen is challenging and has the potential to be another Horridon. By doing a one week on farm one week on progression schedule, I think we'll minimize burnout, allow people to keep accumulating gear, and still allow ourselves solid time on Lei Shen."
The problem I propose is this: With our current schedule raiding 6 hours, 2 days per week, I think it would be difficult to make much progress and finish out the Normal modes this tier with this schedule and our current level of efficiency. If we're lucky, I would estimate (very optimistically) that we'd spend an hour a week on Lei Shen at best. Some weeks we might never see time on him at all if people are missing to RL, etc.
The solution to this issue that I proposed is that it was, and is still, my opinion that 1) it's fun to kill all the bosses in ToT regularly and 2) continuing on by trying to kill all the bosses in ToT in 6 hours over one week, is not feasible for Man Hug currently. Accordingly, I suggested that in the near future we consider moving to a schedule where every other week we extend our lockout and attempt to finish up progress in ToT. So imagine that in one week we kill the first 9 bosses of ToT. The next week, we would start at Iron Qon and continue from there. Regardless of where we finish in that week's extended raid, we would reset the raid for the following week.
I anticipate that we would (once we've mastered Iron Qon and Twin Consorts) get at least 5 hours of solid progression time on Lei Shen every other week, possibly even getting full weeks on him if we're really efficient.
Elapsed offered another solution to tthe problem I proposed. Adding another day to our raid week. This would give us 2 days to clear up to Lei Shen and then 3 full hours per week to make solid progress on him. In essence, this amounts to the same amount of approximate Lei Shen uptime (Elapsed proposed solution: ~3 hours / week, Scaron's solution ~6 hours every other week) as I proposed in my solution, but it would happen every week instead of every other week.
Valid counterpoints were raised to each of these proposals.
1. Several suggested (accurately) that my plan leads to the forefeiture of many pieces of gear and valor per week.
2. Others (including myself) suggested that Elapsed proposal requires a major restructuring and re-evaluation of schedules and priorities and in the end amounts to asking people to raid 50% more than they signed on to do when Man Hug started.
So I think those are the big points. Please discuss here, and not in the Extending the Man Hug Lockout thread so that we can keep these separate issues separate.
Scaron — Thu, 07/14/2011 - 06:39
everstar — Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:40